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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.amusings.com/san-francisco-red-light-camera-tickets/comment-page-4/#comment-4256</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aren,

I have been checking with the SF Superior Court Traffic Division for the last week and will continue to do so for the next week or two.  I don&#039;t have any citations under my drivers license yet, but the message says that the issuing agency has up to 90 days to forward the citation to the court.  I&#039;m kind of confused about the 15 day thing that you and others have mentioned here.  Will you please clarify this for me?  Thanks again.  Your information is a big help. :)

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aren,</p>
<p>I have been checking with the SF Superior Court Traffic Division for the last week and will continue to do so for the next week or two.  I don&#8217;t have any citations under my drivers license yet, but the message says that the issuing agency has up to 90 days to forward the citation to the court.  I&#8217;m kind of confused about the 15 day thing that you and others have mentioned here.  Will you please clarify this for me?  Thanks again.  Your information is a big help. <img src='http://www.amusings.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Aren</title>
		<link>http://www.amusings.com/san-francisco-red-light-camera-tickets/comment-page-4/#comment-4254</link>
		<dc:creator>Aren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike -- depends on the city, some of them have video cameras behind.

@Rob -- they do pick and choose.  Wait a few weeks, see if you get one.

@Annie -- if you didn&#039;t see flashes, you might be ok.  wait a few weeks and see if one comes in the mail.

@Donna -- .9 means the camera thinks the light was red for almost a second before you crossed the &#039;stop&#039; line.  To prove that you didn&#039;t stop first, they will present the speed at which you were traveling (it&#039;s on the ticket, prefixed with V=).  The only way to get a lower fine is to go to court -- they used to give discounts but I&#039;m hearing they don&#039;t offer them anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike &#8212; depends on the city, some of them have video cameras behind.</p>
<p>@Rob &#8212; they do pick and choose.  Wait a few weeks, see if you get one.</p>
<p>@Annie &#8212; if you didn&#8217;t see flashes, you might be ok.  wait a few weeks and see if one comes in the mail.</p>
<p>@Donna &#8212; .9 means the camera thinks the light was red for almost a second before you crossed the &#8217;stop&#8217; line.  To prove that you didn&#8217;t stop first, they will present the speed at which you were traveling (it&#8217;s on the ticket, prefixed with V=).  The only way to get a lower fine is to go to court &#8212; they used to give discounts but I&#8217;m hearing they don&#8217;t offer them anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems I&#039;m not the only  one who was caught at Park Presidio and Lake.  I was turning right and caught on camera.  Does the .9 mean the light was red for that long when I passed the white line?  How do they prove I didn&#039;t stop before I went ahead and turned right?  

I know in the court system in San mateo one can appear  on or before their due date and go before the judge, not a trial, and probably get a reduced fine even pleading guilty.  When I called SF court the person said there isn&#039;t the same method in SF.  Is that true or can I go to the court and expect a similar thing?  Is the only way to even hope to get a lower fine and/or dismissed to request and appear in trial?  I think I stopped before turning but not sure...should I plead not guilty?  Or...my court date is quite soon...Sept. 15.
Any specific information would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Donna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems I&#8217;m not the only  one who was caught at Park Presidio and Lake.  I was turning right and caught on camera.  Does the .9 mean the light was red for that long when I passed the white line?  How do they prove I didn&#8217;t stop before I went ahead and turned right?  </p>
<p>I know in the court system in San mateo one can appear  on or before their due date and go before the judge, not a trial, and probably get a reduced fine even pleading guilty.  When I called SF court the person said there isn&#8217;t the same method in SF.  Is that true or can I go to the court and expect a similar thing?  Is the only way to even hope to get a lower fine and/or dismissed to request and appear in trial?  I think I stopped before turning but not sure&#8230;should I plead not guilty?  Or&#8230;my court date is quite soon&#8230;Sept. 15.<br />
Any specific information would be appreciated.<br />
Thank you.<br />
Donna</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is a great resource! 

A couple of days ago, while driving my mom&#039;s car, I think i ran a red light at park presidio and fulton. The light was yellow, and i was only going about 20-30mph towards golden gate park. The light changed to red just as i crossed the first crosswalk, so i didnt have anytime to stop. I didn&#039;t see any flashes in front of me, but im not sure about behind me. Do you think i will get a ticket? And what is the best way to handle this situation? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a great resource! </p>
<p>A couple of days ago, while driving my mom&#8217;s car, I think i ran a red light at park presidio and fulton. The light was yellow, and i was only going about 20-30mph towards golden gate park. The light changed to red just as i crossed the first crosswalk, so i didnt have anytime to stop. I didn&#8217;t see any flashes in front of me, but im not sure about behind me. Do you think i will get a ticket? And what is the best way to handle this situation? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Gosh. Feelin pretty stressed here. I went through the intersection at Geary and Franklin this morning and saw the flashes and I was the only one crossing. The light turned yellow, but I could swear that my front end had crossed the first line while it was still yellow.  Who know...I guess I will find out soon. If my front bumper did in fact make it  past the first line, will I still get a ticket?  Do they just shoot tickets all day, and then go back and review them all and pick and choose who ever they think that they can prove ran the red beyond a reasonable doubt?  Thanks in advance. 

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Gosh. Feelin pretty stressed here. I went through the intersection at Geary and Franklin this morning and saw the flashes and I was the only one crossing. The light turned yellow, but I could swear that my front end had crossed the first line while it was still yellow.  Who know&#8230;I guess I will find out soon. If my front bumper did in fact make it  past the first line, will I still get a ticket?  Do they just shoot tickets all day, and then go back and review them all and pick and choose who ever they think that they can prove ran the red beyond a reasonable doubt?  Thanks in advance. </p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Akshya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akshya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much Aren for all the advice and clarifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Aren for all the advice and clarifications.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone on this website or anyone else you know received a ticket in the mail from the REAR license plate only..meaning I did not have a front plate but did see 2 flashes but I was only making aleft onto chestnut from el camino real on the green arrow but the flashes still went off...when I reached the intersection...Just curious. Thanks
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone on this website or anyone else you know received a ticket in the mail from the REAR license plate only..meaning I did not have a front plate but did see 2 flashes but I was only making aleft onto chestnut from el camino real on the green arrow but the flashes still went off&#8230;when I reached the intersection&#8230;Just curious. Thanks<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sam: if your friend gets the ticket, he/she can go to court and say it&#039;s not him/her.  They do not have to tell the court who is in the photo.  Note that when you are borrowing a friend&#039;s car, oftentimes you are covered under their insurance.

@MSX: I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll be getting a ticket.  They rarely issue tickets when you didn&#039;t go through the intersection.

@Dave: I&#039;m aware of that appeal and I think it&#039;s long overdue.  However, depending on where you live, that case does not set a precedent since it was in Superior Court.  Definitely try the same argument in your town, though, and it doesn&#039;t hurt to bring up that judge&#039;s ruling even though it is not binding.

@Akshya: you should be able to go to the clerk at any time to change your plea.

@John: Does the picture look like him?  If not, your brother should go to court and testify that he was not driving.  He does not have to give up who was driving, despite what the police will say.

@Aric: Something is missing.  They have to send you photos of the infraction.  It might have just been lost in the mail -- call the issuing police department and ask to come in to see the evidence since you never got it in the mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sam: if your friend gets the ticket, he/she can go to court and say it&#8217;s not him/her.  They do not have to tell the court who is in the photo.  Note that when you are borrowing a friend&#8217;s car, oftentimes you are covered under their insurance.</p>
<p>@MSX: I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll be getting a ticket.  They rarely issue tickets when you didn&#8217;t go through the intersection.</p>
<p>@Dave: I&#8217;m aware of that appeal and I think it&#8217;s long overdue.  However, depending on where you live, that case does not set a precedent since it was in Superior Court.  Definitely try the same argument in your town, though, and it doesn&#8217;t hurt to bring up that judge&#8217;s ruling even though it is not binding.</p>
<p>@Akshya: you should be able to go to the clerk at any time to change your plea.</p>
<p>@John: Does the picture look like him?  If not, your brother should go to court and testify that he was not driving.  He does not have to give up who was driving, despite what the police will say.</p>
<p>@Aric: Something is missing.  They have to send you photos of the infraction.  It might have just been lost in the mail &#8212; call the issuing police department and ask to come in to see the evidence since you never got it in the mail.</p>
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		<title>By: aric</title>
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		<dc:creator>aric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren,

Great blog.  Anyone that has gotten one of these instantly feels like they&#039;re being stabbed in the heart by the gov&#039;t. I received a &quot;courtesy warning&quot; notice&quot; and it says I owe the $466.  I checked online and it comes up.  My citation date was 7/21 and my due date is 8/25.  I was reading the rules on:
http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/index.aspx?page=186
and it says  &quot;The citation will state when and where the violation occurred. It will include a photo of the vehicle in the intersection, a close-up of the driver and the vehicle&#039;s license plate.&quot;

My citation does not say where it happened or have any pictures.  I would think this is a huge point of contention, or is there another citation sent out that usually includes photos and the specifics?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren,</p>
<p>Great blog.  Anyone that has gotten one of these instantly feels like they&#8217;re being stabbed in the heart by the gov&#8217;t. I received a &#8220;courtesy warning&#8221; notice&#8221; and it says I owe the $466.  I checked online and it comes up.  My citation date was 7/21 and my due date is 8/25.  I was reading the rules on:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/index.aspx?page=186" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/index.aspx?page=186</a><br />
and it says  &#8220;The citation will state when and where the violation occurred. It will include a photo of the vehicle in the intersection, a close-up of the driver and the vehicle&#8217;s license plate.&#8221;</p>
<p>My citation does not say where it happened or have any pictures.  I would think this is a huge point of contention, or is there another citation sent out that usually includes photos and the specifics?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: john roll</title>
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		<dc:creator>john roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i drove my brothers car to sf and i ran a light not on purpose. they sent him a letter to apper in a month. the letter had pix of me and not him. will he get a ticket and will they look for the driver?</description>
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